here's how to fix nanoha [spoiler]i know this will never happen[/spoiler]

more GOOD male characters (i get the feeling the male chars are deliberately kept shitty to appeal to the /u/ crowd)
hell, just can the /u/ shit entirely, it's been an anchor on this series from day one, search your hearts you know it to be true. if you have to get one or all of nanoha/fate/hayate a romantic interest, just definitively kill the yuri shit for all time.
fuck the moe magical girl elements and play up the war/military elements more
better fight scenes (more scenes like the Fate/Signum fight in As, and less of the bind shit that has fucking ruined the action in this series from DAY 1)
a coherent plot always helps
sideline subaru, teana, and well, most of everyone who got introduced in strikers
make the bureau at least
delve into the whole alhazard shit, as well as the belka shit, which was dropped after S1 and barely even delved into in S3 (don't bring up soundstages please, and those aren't really adequate anyway)

to fit all this in you'd need like 26 eps of As-like pacing, which is absolutely perfect.

you can thank me later.

edit:

>make the bureau at least somewhat ambiguous in its morality; they started down this direction in StrikerS but nobody questions the whole "who the fuck died and let Midchilda run the galaxy" thing.

Agreed with:

>more GOOD male characters (i get the feeling the male chars are deliberately kept shitty to appeal to the /u/ crowd)
>better fight scenes (more scenes like the Fate/Signum fight in As
>a coherent plot always helps
>as the belka shit, which was dropped after S1 and barely even delved into in S3 (don't bring up soundstages please, and those aren't really adequate anyway)
>make hayate actually useful in combat
>make enemies that would pose actual threats to a useful hayate
>to fit all this in you'd need like 26 eps of As-like pacing, which is absolutely perfect.

Good points, there's so much worng with this franchise recently. Specially about fleshing out more the story of Ancient Belka and Al-Hazard. More awesome knightly fights will be welcomed too.

Disagree with:

>fuck the moe magical girl elements and play up the war/military elements more
>...and less of the bind shit that has fucking ruined the action in this series from DAY 1)
>sideline subaru, teana, and well, most of everyone who got introduced in strikers
>make the bureau at least somewhat ambiguous in its morality; they started down this direction in StrikerS but nobody questions the whole "who the fuck died and let Midchilda run the galaxy" thing.

• Magical Girl elements are what gives this franchise it's charm if i would want to watch military sci-fi i will go for a Macross or Gundam series, Nanoha is meant to be awesome and use the Rule of Cool to blend magical powers with mecha-like action, Force break that delicate balance and that's one of the pivotal reasons of why it sucks so much.

• Don't have anything in paricular against binds, they're cool if applied at the right moment and are also aprt of Nanoha's original mage-fighting style(in contrast with her shitty performance using the Fortress in Force).

• Sideline the forwards, are you out of your mind? StrikerS problem it's not with it's characters, it has more to do with pacing and genre shift problems. Force on the other hand, has a mostly sucky cast save for very few exceptions.

• I'm tired of those "the bureau is eeeevil" conspirancy theories. I hope they stop with that moral ambiguousness.

oh, i replied to you on /a/ but it 404ed a second after.

Basically:

I needed to rephrase the first point better. The problem is that yes, the MG elements give it its charm. But by Season 3 it had become a cancer.

Vivio, Caro, and to a lesser extent Lutecia (granted Lutecia was actually a good, if underutilized character) really exemplified this. Then ViViD. Then Signum of all people turning into a moeblob.

About the binds, it's probably an execution thing. Personally I find they make exciting one on one duels a tad anticlimactic.

As for the forwards, I think they need to be a tad stronger/more skilled/a bit better designed. I thought Caro sucked. I thought Erio's style was way too out of control, granted he's a kid but it didn't look aesthetically pleasing to me. I liked Subaru/Ginga, and Teana to a lesser extent.

As for the Bureau, this sort of ties in with the Belka background thing, namely, "why does beating Belka in a war make you not only master of Ordered Space, but the beacon of all that is good and holy and pure?" Frankly, they should come off more like, well, any state you find in the real world outside third world shitholes - a mix of good and bad, generally pursuing their own self interest.

>>1

>more GOOD male characters (i get the feeling the male chars are deliberately kept shitty to appeal to the /u/ crowd)

Nanoha is about strong female characters beating the shit out of the unfortunate villain that opposes them. It's a seinen for adult males, not a shitty kiddy shonen like Naruto or Bleach.

>hell, just can the /u/ shit entirely, it's been an anchor on this series from day one, search your hearts you know it to be true. if you have to get one or all of nanoha/fate/hayate a romantic interest, just definitively kill the yuri shit for all time.

Nanoha without yuri is not Nanoha. Hayate doesn't need a romantic interest, you can pretend she has her own harem if you want. Nanoha and Fate have their love interest in each other too.

>fuck the moe magical girl elements and play up the war/military elements more

Same as above, Nanoha without magical girls elements is not Nanoha. So far Force is sucking, partially because of the shift of focus, which is the same mistake that Strikers did: the worst parts of the series were the military scenes.

>better fight scenes (more scenes like the Fate/Signum fight in As, and less of the bind shit that has fucking ruined the action in this series from DAY 1)

The movie 1st fights were good.
Strikers battles sucked because of budget.
Vivid battles are good too.
Not commenting on Force for obvious reasons.

Reading your other points, I think it's pointless to keep replying. What you want is not Nanoha, but some sort of stereotyped shonen. If you don't love Nanoha like us for what it is, then this is not the series for you.

>Nanoha is about strong female characters beating the shit out of the unfortunate villain that opposes them. It's a seinen for adult males, not a shitty kiddy shonen like Naruto or Bleach.

oh boy here we go, it's like you read this shit off cue cards

>waah anything other than female characters makes it naruto

no matter how ridiculous the argument is you keep repeating it

>Nanoha without yuri is not Nanoha.

says the almighty yurishippers and pretty much nobody else

That says a lot about them honestly, that the DEFINING feature of the show to them is homoeroticism.

just because the writers shoehorned it into the series in order to sell merch doesn't mean it adds anything of value.

And I didn't say don't have the MG elements - just don't make it cutesy moeshit like you see with ViVid.

And the problem with StrikerS wasn't the military focus per se - it was the horrible pacing and execution, especially with the training. When I talk of a more "military" focus, I mean that they should be involved in, well, real wars and real major conflicts with tough choices and ambiguity and yes, the possibility that a main character might get axed (yes I know that's sort of too much to ask for in anime but whatever), not just the typical "Villain of the Season" thing.

But all in all, let's face facts - the yuri focus is about 90% of what's wrong with the franchise. The writers have spent so much time catering to you that it's gutted the depth and quality of the series. Instead of focusing on the action and the story and the lore, you know, the important parts, they chuck in more love love NanoxFate or more cute girls doing cute things. And suckers like you still buy it.

>>5

I don't think asking for a little gender balance is quite the same as demanding a "shitty shounen", it sounds like you're the one making stereotypes. I personally hate a lot of shounen anime because they're all about boys or men fighting each other with females reduced to eye candy or absent altogether in some cases. Conversely, I feel the same way about anime that make the women omnipotent and reduce the males to irrelevance. Nanoha, Fate and Hayate are the best because of their ability, and that's fine--but when virtually every new character introduced is female, and you'd struggle to name enough decent male mages in the whole bureau to count off on one hand, and take the decent ones like Chrono and chain them to desks, that's where it becomes implausible to me.

It's mahou shoujo because there are few guy characters. I prefer to keep it mahou shoujo.

Also Nanoha male protagonists suck. Thoma is partly why Force sucks.

>>6
You really must hate Nanoha, don't you?

No, I hate the yurifags who think that their fetish defines what Nanoha is.

I have nothing against yuri itself, I really do. But the fanbase has blown it completely out of control and the writers have pandered to it.

You can continue to be in denial about it, but it's true, you've turned Nanoha into little more than a synonym for "yuri fanservice" when it could have been SO much more.

I don't have anything against good male characters in Nanoha, in fact i'm also of the opinion that a good bunch of competent males wouldn't hurt the story. The problem is that Tohma has too much Mary Sue traits and that makes him feel like a fanfiction OC protagonist(instantly stronger than all of the old cast, suddenly being related with nearly all the main cast without any proper introduction whatsoever, being a living McGuffing for a year and a half among other things). The Hucks being also Villain sues didn't help at all.

But Veyron looks fairly cool in his fight against Dego in Ch. 19, Deville manage to look badass for a couple of panels during the battle of the Hucks VS. S6, and Tohma at least manage to get an awesome moment by making Fortis piss his pants.

I would've liked to see male characters as awesome as Zest being further explored. At the end of the day we will know the three Aces will be the best but having some pwoerfull males will bring variety into the mix.

It's jarring to see the total abscence of male contestants on ViVid's tournament arc. Sepcially since no good canonicall reason has been given for that. If somehow they've explained that the tournamed only accept female contestants for some plausible reason(boys are banned from magical martial arts, gender-separated tournaments, that's not popular among boyd, whaterver...) then it will be less jarring but nope. Boys are magically absent, i'm not expect seeing some super strong boy trashing the heroines but at least some male faces among the contestants to give the notion that the tournament is of free access, it feels like the K-ON curse xDU.

>>6

>says the almighty yurishippers and pretty much nobody else

Yeah, that's like 100% of the Nanoha fanbase.
If you want to "fix" our series by turning it into its opposite when claiming that everything we the fans love in the franchise is what makes it so bad, then I don't see why you just can't go watch a STRIGHT anime with MANLY protagonists for successful alpha male viewers such as yourself.
Please do us a favor and stop hating.

>>11

>It's jarring to see the total abscence of male contestants on ViVid's tournament arc.

By this point it's safe to assume that females are in average more talented mages than males in the Nanoha Universe. After all, almost all the high ranked mages are females, and Jail who was a genius made his army entirely from female mages.

>>12

>By this point it's safe to assume that females are in average more talented mages than males in the Nanoha Universe. After all, almost all the high ranked mages are females, and Jail who was a genius made his army entirely from female mages.

Now that you mention it, while it's true that female mages are at the top of the magical power scale, it's the males the ones who are mostly in charge of the high spheres of the political chain of command. Chrno, Yuuno and Verossa are all hihg or important figures in various areas and that's not counting Regius, Zest and Admiral Graham who are also big names among the TSAB ranks.

It's like if in this society females are the ones used to be on the battlefield fighting hard battles while the males takes all the important descicions and give the orders from their high-ranked desk jobs.

>>12

>100%

No, that's just the most vocal and obnoxious segment. The people who like the actual show, and not the yuri subplot, are a bit of a "silent sizable minority" if you will.

And by saying that the yuri is the main draw of Nanoha, you are essentially calling your favorite series shit.

You're basically the equivalent of Twilight fans at this point. No matter how shitty the product is, it doesn't matter as long as you get your fap/shlick fuel. I get the feeling you wouldn't mind Nanoha as a series if you took out most of the action and had Nanoha and Fate blushing at each other.

Again, the problem isn't the yuri itself, the problem is how it has completely destroyed the quality of the series. Tastefully done yuri subtext worked with Madoka. Nanoha is not working because it's revolving around the yuri.

Guys. Stop feeding the troll. This was posted in an /a/ Nanoha thread maybe a couple of days ago and didn't get much attention so he's getting it from here.

Guys JUST STOP

actually before that thread 404ed that post got about the same amount of asspained yurifaggotry it's getting now.

I admit though, it's fun to make yurifags mad; I honestly thought the fanbase had grown up a bit since 2009 but I was obviously wrong.

Pretty much anything that contradicts the Holy Church of /u/ gets flamed and trashed, and it's been like this since the first season.

>I admit though, it's fun to make yurifags mad;

Reported.

In the meantime, have some Takamachi family fun time.

(Only tripfagging to make my presence known to those of you participating in the report war and to tell you to stop that.)

And I guess while I'm here I might as well stake out my position.

I got into MGLN because (comparatively speaking, we're not going for a record in DEEP here) it was a magical girl show with likeable characters, bad-ass technology, and a rather serious underscoring plot. I think in the course of time they moved away from being serious business and starting trying to appeal to a wider audience. This is just, like, my opinion, man, but I think that was a poor decision. However, it is what it is and if they didn't, the franchise would have probably died out pretty quickly. Instead we have a franchise that still hasn't quite figured out what it wants to be when it grows up. I'll just keep hoping for a spin-off or reboot that takes it back to the things that made it interesting to me.

PS: Stop with the personal attacks. Nitpick the series all you like but inciting butthurt in the /u/police and non-/u/police camps is against the rules.

Thank you for your polite response, however, I must disagree with:

> However, it is what it is and if they didn't, the franchise would have probably died out pretty quickly

Good shows of substance and depth gain fanbases, and they also gain staying power.

For a quick example:

Madoka, I think, is going to be a "classic" for the next 10 years, a anime that EVERYONE will have on their "has-watched" list.

Strike Witches will not (despite that it's popular now).

Tsuzuki doesn't have an imagination to compensate for a lack of yuri. The fanbase was mostly gained through NanoFate. Deny it all you want, but A's was the only truly decent series. And StrikerS was crap. Despite that, StrikerS ha the largest fanbase...Partly because it was the most recent, and partly because it has the most yuri subtext.

Force through that all out the window, and now it's just pure concentrated crap.

You can say the non-yurifans of the series is the silent majority. But can you prove it? No. This series thrives off of moe and yuri. Remove that, and it would have never made it to where it is now.

>>20

He said minority, not majority. I don't think anybody's disputing yuri fans comprise the vast majority of this fanbase now--but believe it or not it was not always like that. The reason it's mostly yuri fans now is because most of those who aren't saw that the series wasn't focusing on anything else any more, threw up their hands in frustration and left, or were flat out driven out.

I can point out that for a long period of time there was a yuri thread and a het thread on this board, nobody messed with anyone else, and everybody liked what they liked. Then sometime in 2009 this suddenly wasn't tolerable any more.

So now what do we have? We have a series run by one specific demographic of the market, and to show for it a couple of uninteresting mangas and a more-or-less dead board except for when someone pokes the hornet's nest every few months.

>>18

We seriously don't deserve you, you are way too fair and thoughtful for a fanbase like this. I mean that as a sincere compliment.

>>20
Strikers only sold more in Japan because the tv version was unwatchable, and due to the raising popularity of Misuki Nana who was in the extras of each DVD. The yuri has nothing to do with StrikerS' popularity, the yuri in the series has been very popular in Japan since the first season, and it's not going to change anytime soon now that they are milking rainbows from the daughter of our favorite lesbian family.

Nanofate(or Yuri) fans are definitely NOT the majority in Japan.
Even though nanofate doujin "translation" seems to be the most popular, there are so many other nanoha fanfictions published.
For example, only about 10-20 percents of nanoha fanfictions were about Nanofate (or other yuri stuffs) in Nanoha fan exhibition held in Fukuoka last year.

This "10-20 percent"is reasonable number... Nanoha is not just about yuri, but also about shonen, magical girls, devices and so on.
These concepts of the series has not changed from 1st series until now.

>>23
I'm also a writer, but not all my fanfiction is romance. I might write mostly comedy now, but that doesn't make me or my readers any less fans of yuri. Nanofate still appears to have the biggest yuri fandom at the moment for what we can see on the Internet, in Orient and Occident.

And by the way, Nanoha is not shonen.

>>24

It's seinen, which is basically shonen for adults xD

>>24
Yeah good point.
I know many comedy writers who are nanofate oriented :)
Still nanofate fandom is not majority in Japan.

1. nanofate oriented
2. yu-nano(yuno and nanoha) or with chrono oriented
3. i don't care about romance

these are groups existing for years in Japan, and non of them are majority... which makes nanoha fandam rich.

>>24, 25
I don't consider nanoha as seinen.
I'm Japanese, so there might be a definition difference between us (just like how we define hentai).
Magics and those costumes(BJ) are widely seen in shonen, not in seinen (with firewepons and normal cloths) according to our definition.

Oh, and it's just my opinion that nanoha is Shonen.
Some japanese think this is shonen, and some don't.
IMO, important thing is not to categorize anime, but to enjoy them as they are.

>>26
For your information seinen is a demographic, not a genre. Nanoha's primary demographic is adult males, ESPECIALLY in Japan. Outside Japan, we have a sizable minority of young female fans watching this mostly for the yuri, but the demographic doesn't change.

After NanoFate became canon we barely get any fanart/ss/doujinshi from Japan involving alternate couples for Nanoha and Fate (aside for the typical hardcore/rape doujinshi that will always have a market regardless of the characters).

>>26
>>28

>2011
>be Japanese
>not knowing what seinen is
>ISHYGDDY

>>26
Apart from that artist in Pixiv that draws pretty good Chrono/Nanoha fanarts regularly, I don't see any fans in Japan showing support for straight alternatives for the yuri relationships in the series. Back during the first season I remember more support when the yuri direction of the show wasn't clear, but now we're limited to a few Chrono fanarts, and the latest Yuuno images I have memories of are of him being inflated or gore'd. I can't complaining though, I don't follow Nanoha for the guys.

>foreigners tell Japanese person they know more about Japan than Japanese do

GOD, what is wrong with this fandom? Wait, I think I just answered my own question.

thx for lots of replies :)

if shonen is not a genre, then that's how u guys define them.
yes, most nanoha fans are adult males, but it doesn't matter so much to some (not all) of us.
here are examples of nanoha reviews in which nanoha is considered to have shonen side.
i guess u can google-translate them.
http://badtastesandwiches.blog107.fc2.com/blog-entry-919.html
http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/akibaotaku/diary/200903260000/

and look at the image on the top of this page. another example ; )

as i've said, many of the stuffs "translated on the internet" are nanofate.
i don't deny it.
however, if u come to japan, go to nanoha fan exhibitions and see how ppl are selling nanoha fan fictions, you'll see a totally different scene.

>>32
haha... sometimes u guys know japan better than japanese.
however, regarding this matter, i'm simply stating facts.

>>36
I really doubt there is less Nanofate support in events than what we see online from Japanese sites like you claim, I remember seeing a good number of doujins for the next Nanoha party. We also have the official manga.

>>37

I don't take the shipping in the official manga all seriously, Tsuzuki is a really random guy when it comes to shipping(remembers Lucino and Griffit being married aout of nowhere), the main focuis of the story are the conflicts and battles the characters face, not their romantic relationships and Tsuzuki just keep throwing bones at the audience by letting popular couples have a "scene" from time to time, after all the hate on Yuunoha Tsuzuki aparently received the message and thus Yuuno was put on a bus and most of the teasing is between Nanoha and Fate, Nanoha and Vita, Subaru and Tea, etc... But none of those cuouples are officially confirmed by canon, Tsuzuki still refuses to do that and so far, the only official couples we get are heterosexual ones like Chrno and Amy, and Lucino and Griffit. ErioxCaro and TohmaxLily are closer to be canon pairings than the supposedly lesbian couples.

>>38
In case that you're not trolling: Nanoha and Fate are canon, see the thread, or listen to the sound stages/read the manga.
Subaru and Teana are not a confirmed couple, their relationship is only implied.
Erio and Caro have moved to a sibling-like relationship over the time. Again you need to read the manga for this.
There is no "Yuunoha" pairing, that's an animesuki word, the pairing was named nanoyu or yunano in Japan.
And nobody cares about Tohma, in Force our canon lesbians are still canon lesbians.

>>36
Shonen and seinen are demographics, target audiences, not genres. You can make and anime about football, because there is a sports genre, but you can't make an anime about "seinen".
Claiming that shonen is a genre, is like saying that music aimed to teenagers belong to a different genre.

>>38
Did you miss the nanofate-haters forum by 1tab? If you have something against homosexuality and gay families in media, Nanoha is not your anime.

>>39>>41

I don't have anything against NanoFate or lesbian pairings in Nanoha(i'm a Fatenum fan myself), i'm only saying the truth. Even if Nanoha and Fate have a dynamic similar to a lesbian couple, nothing canonly official has ever mentioned, they're aren't mentioned to be married to each other nor in a romantic relationship(the previous posted image is part of the "Force Dimension" shorts that are comical omakes parodying events on the Force manga, so that's probably just Tsuzuki throwing another bone to the shippers).

The closer we have for a confirmation is the "Takamachi Family" thing but even that isn't a canon statement of Nanoha and Fate relationship, just a really close implication. The moment some official source mentions explicity that they're a couple then it will be canon, but until that day all is only speculations and implications.

I've readed lot's of supplemental material and the best i got is the statement that says Nanoha and Fate are really close to each other but you can be really close to someone in lots of ways.

>>38
>>42
Stop the obvious trolling please, the only speculation (without any "implications") are your wild theories of unorthodox couples and families not being in romance.

Shipping and trolling is not allowed in this board, so I'm reporting you. You sound like the typical Animesuki user in denial that goes out of their way to make people hate an anime they like. Seriously, we're bored of you guys, you can keep claiming that you know more than Japan and that the writers are wrong, but you're not convincing anyone.

>>43

People responded to a post explaining their viewpoints and i responded accordingly, i didn't insult anyone and even gave explanation about my train of tought. If someone here have proof(that is, especificall mention of the sound stage, manga chapter or anime episode where such things are confirmed) i openly invite them to expose it. This is very easy to solve, just give me canon evidence and my argument will be instantly invalidated.

I'm not denying the possibility of Nanoha and Fate being a couple, what i mentioning is the lack of any canon confirmation of that. They act like a couple sometimes but i'm still waiting for the moment when some official source explicity says "yes, they're a couple".

>>38
>>42
>>44
There is a manga called Vivid, which is canon. The Movie 1st Sound Stages and Nanoha A la Carte manga are canon too. The complementary material and Magazine interviews are also official information.
I know some people like to pretend only Force is canon, but even in that manga they follow the same continuity where Nanoha and Fate remain a couple and formed a lesbian family with their daughter. Force is not the "only official fourth season and everything else is not canon", the movie 1st manga (not the sound stage) is the only exception, this manga takes place in an alernative continuity.
I don't even know why I bother...

>>45
I don't think he's serious... is he? The fun thing is that even if he thinks only Strikers and Force are canon, this guy still will have an awfully hard time making sense of the characters if they weren't in a romantic relationship. I mean, I can't think of any real life or fictional scenario where two lesbians sleep together, adopt a girl, and are not in a relationship. For humans this is simply not possible.

Also stuffs like pic related got published when Strikers was airing, and then we have the Dvd extras. This is beyond absurd, really.

Nanoha "A la Carte" is not canon, they're not made by Tsuzuki, it's a special compillation of manga shorts made by other artists, i'm not denying they're pretty good and fun stories, tough(Vivio's cooking is the funniest in my opinion xD).

ViVid gives strong hints indeed but still lacks any official confirmation. Even the Movie 1st manga gives a somewhat silly twist to what seems to be a good definitive resolution("we're attracted to each other ....to be friends"), i fail to see why Tsuzuki do that at the end of an otherwise irrefutable confirmation xD.

Look, i'm not againt the pairing, i'm also aware that is glaringly obvious that Nanoha and Fate hold strong feelings for each other, i'm aware that the Seiyuus of Nanoha and Fate are convinced they're in a relationship but i still waiting for Tsuzuki, you know, the guy who writes the story, to canonly admit that. It's not that hard, if he already married characters it will be pretty easy to say something among the lines of "Nanoha and Fate are in love" or "they support each other because they're a firm couple", all the material you mentioned contain strong hints but for some reason avoids telling to the audinece that "yes, they are".

>>46

StrikerS images are mostly fanservice stuff depicting situations that most likely didn't happened in canon(Nanoha and Fate as brides, Playing Tennis, Signum standing in a group image with Laevatein in Bogenform which she never used during StrikerS, etc). I've readed the StrikerS DVD booklets and didn't find anything of the sort but maybe i'm confusing those with the DVD extras. I will check those in hopes of find that, thanks.

>>48
Not the same anon, but Nanoha "A La Carte" is canon, the Vivid specials are in the same book. It was published by Kadokawa and Seven Arcs, hence it's canon.

In Vivid they are still a lesbian couple raising Vivio together. That's not hinted, it's part of the plot.

>i'm aware that the Seiyuus of Nanoha and Fate are convinced they're in a relationship but i still waiting for Tsuzuki

I'm aware that all the staff involved in aware of their relationship status, as well as the fans. I can't believe a single occidental fan can be as confused as you.

>to canonly admit that

Everything from Strikers that takes part of the plot is canon, so it's only you who needs to admit that.

>if he already married characters

Like Nanoha and Fate, that's the reason she forms part of the Takamachi family and is a parent to Vivio.

>all the material you mentioned contain strong hints

Plot != hints. It forms part of the story, especially in the movie sound stage, Vivid, and A la Carte.

>StrikerS images are mostly fanservice

Fanservice is still canon. You can pretend that two lesbians sleeping together is just fanservice, but this fact is still a part of the series.

>>49
Too late for that. This 2A8tV13E really makes me hate Nanoha fans.

Jesus Christ you guys stop the report fest. I'm going to deal with this thread in a few hours.

Why did my post got deleted and >>48 is still up?

The guys from Animesuki are trolling our board again, no surprises here.

>>55
Maybe the troll reported the legit posts, they have fallen lower than this.
Either way, thanks God this is over.

>>48

Forget it, it's not worth trying to argue with them, they're too emotionally invested in this couple to have a thoughtful conversation. Anything you say will be greeted with the same canned insults, blind dismissals and accusations of trolling they've been lobbing for the past two and a half years.

>>55

His post wasn't deleted because it wasn't trolling. You're the real trolls. Everyone on this board got along fine until you decided to purge this board of everyone who didn't ship nanofate.

>>57

Yup, that's why i didn't give any response but wathever, i don't care that much about pairings anyway.

Back on topic, how you will make FORCE better?

I will start by making Cypha living up to her hype and do something actually significant aside of trashing Signum. Such amazing "dastardly villain" potential wasted.

I actually do NOT deny the existence of NanoFate, I just think that it's existence has played a major role in dragging down the series.

Nanoha should be driven by dramatic battles and compelling character conflict, not yuri and moeblobs.

I mean, honestly, how the fuck is it trolling to want MORE of Nanoha As and less of the garbage they're feeding us these days (vivid is garbage, let's face it, it's fanfic-tier stuff force is much better because it's actually trying to have a story, however bad it is as it)

I deleted some spam posts, some image macros, and some outright faggotry. I'm hoping the rest of you fags can all get off your high horses and accept that people don't agree with your shit and start getting along. I'm trying really hard not to take sides because I hate both of your fucking retarded camps and realistically the only way to stop this shit is to autoban any posts containing the word "canon" and the mention of any two characters in the same sentence. STOP BEING BABIES, THAT IS ALL.

GROW UP FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR VARIOUS DEITIES

>>55
Animesuki, while full of goddamn retards in the general sense, are not necessarily our enemies. This isn't an exclusive club for a select group of believers in some retarded internet drama. Some non-retards exist there (I actually don't know any but they must exist, right?).

I remind everyone that this same shit happened already and you got the fuck over it so I suggest that you again get the fuck over it and move on.

Another thing that needs to happen is that they need to figure out a way to make the powersets relevant. If that means porting Neue Regrisseur and Neo Granzon from SRW to Nanoha, do it. Hayate is a ridiculously powerful mage yet she mostly sits on the sidelines. This is why I didn't like the forwards - you have to nerf the threats just to keep the AA rank and below mages semi-relevant, because the S+ ranks and above are literally to them what a 2012 Abrams tank is to a Roman chariot.

>>MORE of Nanoha As and less of the garbage they're feeding us these days

Only reason why I'm still in this fanbase is the upcoming PSP game. Honestly I didn't even like Hayate until the first game came out.

and the SRW reference that keeps on popping up. I have not watch nor play many media for it. I just don't like how it seems like the story is just pulling off reference from a genre I rarely have anything to do with.

>>64

I think is not that bad as long as they're just references but lately Tsuzuki apparently is making just copy/paste of various elements and storylines from SRW.

Case in point: Signum is progressively becoming less of an expy of Lamia and more of a flat-out clone of her.

>>64
There is a new SRT game in the works BTW, but with anime characters directly in combat instead of robots. I forgot its title, but it looked good.
It was sort of like this old flash: http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/battle-fantasia-w/301765
If Nanoha and Fate were in the game, they'd be canon lesbians there too I bet.

>>66

Honestly, i don't care. As long as we get Nanoha and Fate as playable characters in an awesome Endless Frotnier-like SRT game they can be as lesbians as they want.

...they still will be kickass characters xD!

>>66
Now that looks awesome.
But that's not the actual game, or is it?

>>67
They're kickass AND lesbian in the anime, we sure don't get that combo too often.

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>>65
Sounds like I should be watching/reading SRW instead of continue following this series if they're copying and pasting.

>>66

already knew about that. it's still in the works? I thought it's just fan video only since I hear nothing else about it for years.

btw there is a crossover game coming out called Nendoroid Generation on the PSP. I'm not sure if I should care about this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o2gorYranc

>>70

Actually Subaru and Teana would fit incredibly well in one of those games, both Endless Frontier games portray Gunfighter/Brawler duets among the main cast like Haken/Aschen and Alady/Neige. Teana/Subaru are almost the quintesinal example of the franchise(as Nanoha/Fate have more similar skills), plus, they also fit the Haken/Aschen trait of SkilledGunner/RobotGirl.

>>64
They ARE taking the espy thing a bit far, but it was an element of Signum that I've always liked (even though personality-wise the comparison has ALWAYS been overstated just because they have the same VA).

But there's a part of me that wants to see more SRW references, not less. At the very least, some mage version of Shuu Shirakawa or Vindel Mauser (granted, they DID have one for a pseudo-Mauser role, they just killed her off in the first season...this franchise would be imo way better had they kept Precia alive somehow, especially considering how anti-climatic and badly executed her death was)would be the most credible threat this series has ever had, at least since As.

Also throwing in some Jam Project songs can only help your soundtrack :D.

>>71

I did played that game.

Teana would so fit in with Reiji & Xiaomu's blast everything in sight special.

Subaru would perform a double team attack with Aschen.

Why haven't Exceed came out here yet?